Showing posts with label Raptor. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Raptor. Show all posts

Saturday, October 30, 2021

In defense of the lowly little Blackbird

This blog is supposed to be about PowerPC Apple hardware, but I figured that I could quickly say this while writing the post about the iMac G5 I'm using to try to help the reputation of the Blackbird, a motherboard I really think doesn't get the credit it deserves even from POWER people.

Blackbird, for those who don't know (maybe you got here from a Google search?), is a Micro ATX motherboard manufactured by Raptor Computing Systems in Texas that uses IBM POWER9 CPUs. It's sort of marketed as being in between a normal desktop computer and a workstation, and you could maybe also use it as a server if you were just wanting to do something small.

It's also the cheapest computer in RCS' range, compared to the Talos II actual server/crazy-powerful workstation computer and the Talos II Lite normal workstation computer. Most comparisons tend to downplay this, saying it's maybe 10% more expensive, but that's only for the motherboard itself. TIIL is about $2000 for the motherboard alone, compared to $1700 for the Blackbird -- and other E-ATX components don't come cheap. I just bought a Rosewill Line-M case for my Blackbird build and it cost me $34, with several other Micro ATX cases in that price range. On the other hand, I had a look on Newegg and the cheapest E-ATX cases I could find were over $100, besides the one case that was on sale for $99. Just combining those two parts -- the other parts are compatible between each other, the price difference comes out to $317.40 -- that's before taxes, which scale to the price of the items. A quick and dirty estimate brings that up to $342.79. That's enough to get you a GPU, RAM, and an SSD if you get them second-hand.

TIIL's main feature that is generally brought up as the tipping factor is its ability to use 18- and 22-core CPUs. It's true that Blackbird can only handle 4- and 8-core processors due to its less powerful component power supply electronics, but 4- and 8-core processors are perfectly usable -- 4-cores without any multithreading at all are usable too, see the Intel i5-6600K. An 18-core processor is $2,069 (nice), which is the price of a whole new Blackbird. $4,353 nets you 22 cores. Comparing a 4- or 8-core Blackbird to a 18- or 22-core Talos II Lite gets the number even more ridiculous; without RAM, a GPU, or anything else that makes it a functional computer, the 4-core to 18-core price difference is $1,972.67 -- the 8-core to 22-core difference is $4,089.80. Enough to build several more computers, or outfit your Blackbird with 64 gigabytes of RAM and a high-end RX card, or pay your student loans.

They're also a lot physically smaller. Thinner, lighter, and shorter by square inches, they are much more portable -- especially in a case like the Cooler Master Q300P, a case I think is really appropriate for the computer as it provides a very Power Macintosh-like form factor. Holding my Line-M up to my Sawtooth, Micro ATX is pretty much the exact same size as the main case without the handles. I also have right next to it an E-ATX case my sister gave me, and it dwarfs it. I could probably put the MATX case inside of the other one. They're bulky and heavy and really inconvenient, and you don't really even get the advantages of a full Talos II computer besides the $2,069 18-core processor and more RAM slots (as if the 256 GB that the Blackbird supplies is insufficient for typical tasks) that for many just isn't a justifiable purchase.

I ran the numbers on a hypothetical full build, by the way, which with a Radeon HD 6990 GPU for optional big-endian capability, is $800 apart. $2,600 for the Blackbird, $3,400 for the Talos II Lite with an 8-core CPU.

I just can't see the normal person justifying that amount of money. For 90% of people, the Blackbird is going to be your best bet. It's on par or better than a Core i7, when most people use a Core i5. Don't get me wrong, TIIL definitely has a spot to fill, and there are definitely people for whom it's worth it. But those people already know why they need it, and aren't looking at "Which RCS mainboard should I go with?" articles.

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